Cinder was one of our first males and is one of the strongest male breeders we have.  We have been breeding him since 2009.   We have kept a few of his babies male and female and either they   He is a strong orange dragon with german giant genetics.  We have learned a lot from Cinder in the past few years, from how to deal with cranky males who just want to breed, and dragons who could care less about eating, yet not loose weight!  He is a character and we enjoy him.